> Can you name all the major influences on climate?

Can you name all the major influences on climate?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
I would guess there’s somewhere between 500 and 1,000 factors that have been identified that influence the climates, there’s many more we don’t yet know about. Some are cyclical, some are oscillatory, some are sporadic, some are permanent, some are unidirectional. I’ve listed a few below:

AEROSOLS

Effect = Cooling when increasing

Scale = Global, enhanced regionally

Cause = Mainly Anthropogenic (A), can be strong short-term Natural (N)

Status = Moderate to strong cooling

Time = 2 to 3 years

BIOGEOCHEMICAL FEEDBACKS

Effect = Cooling or warming

Scale = Global

Cause = N and A, N influenced by A

Status = Strong warming

Time = Years to centuries

CARBON SINKS

Effect = Cooling

Scale = Global

Cause = N influenced by A

Status = Declining, leading to warming

Time = Permanent

DEFORESTATION

Effect = Warming

Scale = Global, more pronounced regionally

Cause = Mainly A, some N

Status = Rate of D is slowing slightly

Time = Decades

ECCENTRICITY

Effect = Warming in +ive phase, cooling in –ive phase

Scale = Global

Cause = Entirely N

Status = Negative phase, slow long-term cooling

Time = 95,000 years

FORAMINIFERA

Effect = Cooling

Scale = Global, enhanced locally and regionally

Cause = N influenced by A

Status = +ive and –ive influences, could be balanced overall

Time = Permanent

GREAT SALINITY ANOMALIES

Effect = Warming in +ive phase, cooling in –ive phase

Scale = Global, enhanced hemispherically

Cause = N

Status = Negative phase, up to 0.3°C of cooling over ~30 years

Time = Decades

HYDROCLIMATOLOGICAL VARIATIONS

Effect = Either warming or cooling

Scale = Global, can be enhanced at all climatic scales

Cause = Usually N, influenced by A

Status = Accelerated variation due to GW

Time = Years to millennia

INCOMING COSMIC RADIATION

Effect = Cooling in +ive phase, warming in –ive phase

Scale = Global

Cause = Entirely N

Status = Steady, little influence

Time = Always present, short-term +ive phases

JET STREAMS

Effect = Warming to the S and cooling to the N

Scale = Mid to high latitudes most affected

Cause = N, likely influenced by A

Status = Disrupted

Time = Always present, disrupted for past few years

KATABATIC WINDS

Effect = No overall change as redistributes heat

Scale = Globally, enhanced in cryosphere

Cause = N, maybe influenced by A

Status = Evidence for increased incidence in last 12 years

Time = Hours to days

LAND USE CHANGE

Effect = Warming

Scale = Global, more pronounced regionally

Cause = Almost all A, small N component

Status = Significant change leading to warming

Time = Ongoing for centuries, effects are years to centuries

METHANE CLATHRATES

Effect = Warming

Scale = Global, short term regional enhancement

Cause = N, may in future be influenced by A

Status = Stable for millions of years

Time = Release phase is millennia, effects lag be a few years

NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION

Effect = Warming and cooling on regional basis

Scale = Global, concentrated in Europe and North America

Cause = N, may have a very small A component

Status = Declining positive phase

Time = 20 to 30 years

ORBITAL INCLINATION

Effect = Cooling in decreasing phase, warming in increasing phase

Scale = Global

Cause = Entirely N

Status = Midway through decreasing phase, very slight long-term cooling

Time = 41,000 years

PHYTOPLANKTON

Effect = Warming when in decline

Scale = Global, enhanced locally and regionally

Cause = N, growth can be induced by A

Status = Possibly declining leading to slight warming

Time = Ongoing

QUASIBIENNIAL OSCILLATION

Effect = Warming in +ive phase, cooling in –ive phase

Scale = Global, enhanced regionally

Cause = N

Status = Negative phase, multidecadal negative trend, very slight cooling

Time = Phases = a few years, trends = a few centuries

RADIOACTIVE DECAY

Effect = Cooling

Scale = Global

Cause = N

Status = Declining, miniscule cooling effect

Time = Ongoing for 4.6 billion years

SOLAR VARIATION

Effect = Cooling or warming depending on net effects

Scale = Global, enhanced regionally and hemispherically

Cause = N

Status = Negative phase, multidecadal negative trend, slight cooling

Time = 10 years to several centuries

THERMOHALINE CIRCULATION

Effect = No overall change as redistributes heat

Scale = Local to global, regionally enhanced

Cause = N, may be influenced by A

Status = Steady, possible future disruption

Time = Generally steady, can be disrupted on scale of years to millenia

UPWELLING

Effect = Atmospheric and climatic cooling, redistribution of oceanic heat

Scale = Local to global, regionally enhanced

Cause = N

Status = Minor disruption, probably entirely natural

Time = Seasonal and annual phases, oscillations over a few years

VOLCANOES

Effect = Cooling (warming on geological timescales when Earth frozen)

Scale = Initially regional then global

Cause = N

Status = Steady

Time = Cooling for 2 to 3 years

Distance From The Sea

Ocean Currents

Direction of Prevailing Winds

Greenhouse Gas Levels, almost completely water vapor

Proximity To The Equator

The El Nino Phenomenon

Intensity of the Sun. :) :)

There could be unknown influences. Here is a list of forcings we know about or which some suspect.

1. The Sun.

2. The Milankovich Cycles

3. Volcanic aerosols

4. Anthropogenic carbon dioxide.

5. Other anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

6. Anthropgenic aerosols.

7. Contrails.

8. Urbanization - the Urban Heat Island Effect

I acknowledge the fact that AGW is a reality. Here are some of them:

The Sun and changes in solar input. not increasing. http://sidc.oma.be/sunspot-index-graphic...

Milankovitch cycles or periodic changes in Earth's orbit which has a direct effect on how much Sun we receive. Currently in it's cooling phase. http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v...

Greenhouse gas concentration which has an effect on how much heat and light are retained in the system

Heat coming from Earth's interior as a result of gravitational compression and decaying radioactive isotopes

Volcanic and other sources of aerosol emissions which actively cool the planet dependent on the type of aerosol.

Clouds.

The urban heat island effect providing regional warming.

Changes in planetary circulation such as winds, ocean currents, and so on

and so on...

Edit: JZ - I was listing all the effects on Earth's climate not just the ones that have an effect on climate change. Not only the 'major influences' but a listing of those influences that were off the top of my head. Try again. And if you actually did 'bother learning the science' you would be aware of the statements and links posted above. apparently your version of 'learning the science' consists of stating "No one knows". JimZ is that you? By gosh it is.

JimZ: Yes it is important to know what is not known. Perhaps, then, you can point us to what is not known that is a major influence on climate? All you have done is state that there are many things that are not known in the climate system and, while that is true, you do not go past that. And most of the things that people label as unknown in here are actually known.

Like Jeff M, I acknowledge the fact that AGW is a reality. So it makes sense to start with human caused climate forcings.

1. Human

a. CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. (plus black carbon and aerosols)

b. Other CO2 emissions from human activity that doesn't not involve combustion (e.g. tilling soil).

c. Deforestation and other changes to land use effectively reducing albedo or altering carbon sinks and sources.

d. Urbanization and industrial activity-energy expenditure is release of excess waste heat.

e. Farming (including livestock).

2. Natural

a. Total solar irradiance which is the sum of UV energy hitting the Earth.

b. Solar wind.

c. Solar geomagnetic storms, flares, coronal mass ejections.

d. Sunspot activity.

f. Major ocean circulation patterns and indexes like PDO, AO and AMO.

g. Evaporation (water cycle)

h. Cloud cover for both high and low clouds.

i. Volcanic eruptions and other natural aersols.

j. ENSO.

k. Milankovitch Cycles.

Does this mean I'm not insane?

For me, the jury is still out regarding AGW.....the climate science community needs to address the evidence of collusion/fraud that exists with a number of the high-profile ' experts and the data that they have used/manipulated or 'omitted'.

Key influences on climate? Sun/surface activity, Sun/orbital phases, volcanic activities.

Jeff got it right. No one can. You would like to pretend to know that CO2 is a "major" driver of climate but you are deluding yourself.

Jeff believes gravitational compression is a source of changing climates. He must have come up with that one by himself. I could hardly come up with something that isn't more constant than than the heat from the interior of the earth. I am guessing it was you who gave Jeff the thumbs ups at the same time you gave me a thumbs down. That's all right. Getting thumbs down from the dumbed down isn't an insult. Why don't you bother learning about the science instead of believing whatever is blathered at you from your side.

Yes Jeff, it is me. I am now JZ. I figured it was pretty obvious especially with my bee picture that I took. It is important to know what is not known. Pretending to know things you don't leads to your present confusion.

Jeff, I pointed out that it isn't known that CO2 is a major influence. I agree that you have to interpret that from my answer but I think it was pretty obvious. Just to give you a hand on the gravity. The earth's interior may have added some heat from the original accretion due to gravity and collision of particles, comets, dust, meteors, etc. That original heat has since been insulated by thousands of miles of rock. That original heat and isotopic decay has provided the heat to have a liquid outer core that is slowly cooling. That cooling process provides the energy to power convection currents that do have an element of gravity which is involved in the movement of less dense rock. Those convection currents don't really reach the surface. They pretty much move to the outside of the mantle and push the tectonic plates as they flow.

It is not wrong or insane a vast majority of who you consider realist are like hey dook, waiting for someone to tell him what to think. I understand as you do that there our many factors that influence climate, where we differ is the view that all other factors are interfering with predictions out of one hole and claiming they have no discernable impact out of another.

1. I strongly believe in AGW.

2. Both anthropogenic (GHG emissions and LULCC) and natural (ocean circulation, solar/Milankovitch cycles) influence climate on Earth. (Be careful to distinguish climate change from global warming from climate as a sytem by the way).

Good Luck =)

Which influences are most important mainly depends on the time frame. For a full list, I would google, or wait for Trevor to answer.

Edit: Yes, indeed, Mike is in a different "subset of denialists." A sensible straightforward honest answer every now and again to help cloak the reality of his anti-science barrage of recycled Wattsup croc fake questions.

No. No one can name them all because science does not yet know. Any who claim they know all are either deluded or they are lying to you.

Here is one: The sun and solar cycles.

There is a certain subset of denialists who apparently think that those who accept AGW think that the *only* driver of global climate, and the *only* factor influencing weather, is anthropogenic carbon dioxide. This is, well, wrong, and possibly insane.

Can everyone please 1. state their approximate position on or view of AGW, and 2. list the major climate forcings/drivers of climate/climate influences they are aware of (or, at least, 5 or so of them). If you wish, you can also indicate whether/in what direction they are currently changing, and/or approximately how much you think each is currently influencing the climate. If you want to go into detail about forcings vs feedbacks, and/or provide reliable sources to back up your list, that would be nice, too.

Hey Dook: "For a full list, I would google, or wait for Trevor to answer"

It is like you are mocking yourself.

Go here:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

No, because we don't know all the influences and their effect. And greenies know even less. That is why they call the subject chaotic.

Ah geez, guess I must have imagined your repeated calls for carbon taxation ( which kinda implies it's your main fixation).