> Who is in denial? pro or anti global warmers.?

Who is in denial? pro or anti global warmers.?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
Let's see.

? ? ? ? "Arctic ice refreeze"s during the winter (coming off of peak melt in september and moving well into winter time.) Can it be? Is it possible that it might actually melt during the summer and then refreeze during the winter?

? ? ? ? "Arctic ice levels are essentially back to normal" without saying when this is or what you consider "normal" or providing a source (crappy or otherwise.)

Read the link below where it says, "Arctic sea ice extent for December 2012 remained far below average" and then later says, "Average Arctic sea ice extent for December 2012 was the second lowest for the month in the satellite record."

So you waste everyone's time mixing up the profoundly obvious with lies. The rest is no better or worse. But not worth the time of day.

I'm not shocked, of course. I know why you are here and so does everyone else.

A short time back there was indeed a false report there had been no warming fo 16 years. Unfortunately the man lied and the MET printed a disclaimer to to that effect.

10 of the last 15 years were the warmest global years since record keeping began 132 years ago. They are from warmest to 10th warmest....

2010

2005

1998

2003

2002

2006

2009

2007

2004

2012

So how is it possible there has been no warming.

Atic ice grows in the winter because that is what it does. However; it starts late and ends early so the summer ice melt is faster than average and both poles have seen temps increase twice as fast as the rest of the planet. Antarctica has seen surface ice increase in winter, so it would appear there is more ice. BUT the ice melt there is on the western shelf which is melting from underneath and the Antarctic ice is decreasing in volume;

Your information source is faulty. The truth is the truth and GW/climate change is real, it is man made and it is already here.

Of course Global Warming is real, and the Earth has been warming ever since the last glaciers receded 13,000 years ago. You do know that half the United States was under a blanket of ice, don't you? Well then, you can't deny Global Warming. But it's no big deal, i'm sure the trend will continue.

The facts are that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, that without greenhouse gasses the earth average temperature would be 33C colder (a giant snowball) and that we have added 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere. There is not one person who denies these facts. The claim that the earth has not warmed is denier myth number 9 on Skepticalscience dot com. A useful site that keeps a list of the more common denier claims and debunks each and every one of them.

Quotes by Sagebrush (a self proclaimed Christian and ardent AGW denier) :

"Execute all those who voted for OBAMA"

"Hire the handicapped, they are fun to watch!"

It seems you are the one in denial all your point are false specious of easily rebutted. Only the most rabid denialists still maintain that global warming is occurring they just question the cause

The warming in the last hundred years is about equal to the previous hundred if you look at non tree proxies which can't be manipulated. Alarmism depends on ice core proxies which are unreliable and not accurate or precise. Alarmisms depends on tree ring proxies that have been proved to be manipulated and completely bogus. Finally alarmism depends on belief without evidence. They must therefore deny facts that threaten their cult like belief system.

Note the years given by Gryph.

If those top 10 temperature values are still the top 10 values in 2023 then your question might not seem as idiotic. You will still be wrong - because You Can't Fix Stupid - but, not as many people will notice.

Of course, but you can't argue facts and common sense with fanatics.

It is politically expedient and economically expedient and favorable to grants being proffered for further study to declare that there is a catastrophe in the making 'unless we do something!' Those who have found natural cycles in play for increased warmth in the global system receive little attention or money. What fun is that? The last paragraph of the article http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/2... is the sort of totally unsubstantiated declaration that invigorates the catastrophists!

Your: "Arctic ice levels are essentially back to normal".

No, no , no , no!

The Arctic ice will disappear this year; we're all doomed!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7139797.stm

http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technolo...

No change in Earths temperatures for 16yrs, dramatic Arctic ice refreeze Sept 2012 to Jan 2013, Arctic ice levels are essentially back to normal, Antarctic ice levels at record coverage Nov 2012.

But AGW people still say global warming is severe and dangerous.

So who actually is in denial Pro or Anti global warmers?

You are absolutely right.

Quote by Chris Folland of UK Meteorological Office: “The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models.”

The saviors of the earth deny the earth's actions.

They have denied that they once proposed an Ice Age caused by CO2.

Life magazine of January 3, 1970, stated: “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support . . . predictions” such as: “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution,” and “increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will affect earth’s temperature, leading to mass flooding or a new ice age.”

They are still denying that the earth is cooling and has been for the last sixteen years.

They are even denying what their own leaders say.

Quote by Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official: "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore."

They deny that they lie, when in fact, they admit it.But they deny that over-representation is lying.

Quote by Al Gore, former U.S. vice president, and large CO2 producer: "I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis."

They deny that AGW is political rater than scientific, even when their own leaders admit to it.

Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

We could go on but, you are right, they are the supreme denialists.

Stop spreading lies. The evidence is overwhelming.