Lewandowsky's "Moon Landing" paper (not withdrawn or retracted, despite what the blogs say):
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/24/5/622
Conspiracist ideation is often dressed up as scientific skepticism, but at its heart, works in the opposite manner. New evidence cannot disprove a conspiracy theory in the minds of its adherents. The supposed conspiracy or hoax just grows larger in order to exclude contradicting evidence.
Case in point, the response to the above cited paper.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2012/12/10...
One thing that neither the global warming deniers or the holocaust deniers want us to know is that even if someone does stand to gain from scientific or historical facts doesn't mean that the science or history isn't true. The Nazi holocaust was not invented by Zionists. The concentration camps were discovered by the armies that liberated them, not by Zionist activists. In the same way, global warming was not invented by Margaret Thatcher, Maurice Strong, Al Gore or Greenpeace; it was discovered after decades of scientific research.
Regarding FSM's comments, it is true that there is no point in trying to convince the likes of Maxx or Sagebrush or even Kano or Ottawa Mike. But when some kids read the questions and responses by these denialists, they will think that what they reading is the truth and that their teachers are lying. Gobbels and Hitler have taught Sagebrush well. But if they see realist responses to denialist crocks, they may just decide that since not everybody on YA believes that AGW is a lie, they may just learn some science at school.
One wonders if comparing those that you disagree with to Holocaust deniers is a smart policy to promote your point of view.
After all, there are literally hundreds of issues that human beings have debates over (whether reasonable or not). Is it true that every single time someone denies something we compare them to Holocaust deniers? Or is it that if someone does compare someone to a holocaust denier it is merely a demonization tactic and a pretty transparent one at that?
Update: That is quite a funny response considering that most "questions" on Yahoo Answers are really expressions of one's viewpoint. Are you denying that the point of your question is in fact that you believe that comparing "climate change deniers" to Holocaust deniers is a REASONABLE thing to do?
Then, if so, I am perfectly welcome to challenge that particular notion and your claim that I can't because it violates guidelines is silly, to say the least. Or would you prefer to have these little discussions where your point of view remains unchallenged? One suspects the answer may be yes.
(For the record, you may have noticed I didn't actually voice my point of view on climate change. )
I will go even further, some of them are similar to Nazi leaders.
Sagebrush who frequently quotes Hitler (not Goebbels as he claims) has stated "Execute all those who voted for Obama" Average Joe "My advice to you -- hunt down the Green like they are rabid dingos. And dispose of them accordingly " Phoenix Quill "Well what I would LIKE to see every person who believes in the idiocy of AGW permanently exiled from America"
Then you have their followers, Ian, Jim Z, Kano, etc who denounce the fast majority of the scientific community as alarmist, just like Winston Churchill was dismissed as an alarmist when he warned of the Nazi's and their rise to power. Ironically they are also denouncing big business owners (All Gore, Warren Buffett) as evil, just like the Nazi's did, until Hitler needed their money to build up Germany's military and only picked on those business leaders who didn't support him. At first it was mostly the liberals who were sent to to the concentration camps.
This might sound unreasonably harsh, but it is worthwhile to have a look at events at the time [1] and the long history of anti Jewish sentiment [2] that lead up to that, to understand the politics of today. And when I look around me, it seems we will be unable to prevent repeating history. The deniers here claim they know more then the experts and as I pointed out some them are scum who are advocating genocide and they get plenty of thumbs up by others who are less vocal in their hatred.
Rather then getting depressed or angry, I thankfully realize they are a minority and I just have a little fun with their "logic". Like how they get exited over a day where it is 8°C below average temperature in some location or being less informed then "stupid sheepies" There rarely is a day that at least one of the regular deniers here does not make an utterly ridiculous argument, and I have learned not to have coffee or any other beverage at the time when I open this site and often have tears in my eyes laughing. One thing is for sure, there is absolutely no point explaining the science to them.
The Holocaust certainly did happen based upon many sources from the Allies,the Nazis and Jewish and Gentile Holocaust survivors
Putting your hands over your ears and shouting
'NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU NAH NAH NAH'
would be the general similarity in argument.
Global Warming ended in 2012. Mike
Godwin
This question is invalid
I wasn't aware anyone was denying climate science
Same ideology . . . next !
This question does NOT (N.O.T.) ask ANY OF THE FOLLOWING four questions:
1) Are the people who deny the one the same people who deny the other?
2) Do the two sets of deniers have the same motives?
3) Are these the only two forms of denial?
4) Should anybody disrespect anybody else's ancestors?
People wanting to address one of these 4 OTHER questions, should go ELSEWHERE to do so.
Here is one example (of many) of the sort of comparison this question IS asking about:
1) Climate science deniers will sometimes claim that since environmental groups publicize the results of climate science, and use those results to recruit members, or argue for mitigation policies, that therefore environmentalists CREATED climate science as a deliberate MYTH.
2) Holocaust deniers will sometimes claim that the since the government of and politicians in Israel sometimes use the World War II Holocaust to explain why the modern state of Israel was founded, or to encourage support for Israel in disputes with Arab neighbors, that therefore the Holocaust was CREATED by Israeli propagandists as a deliberate MYTH
3) How are these two arguments (again, the arguments, NOT the people, NOT the historical facts, etc.) similar or different?
