> The problem with climate science isn't the information, but it's the corruptability of people involved in climat

The problem with climate science isn't the information, but it's the corruptability of people involved in climat

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
Oh, classic Denier Bullshlt. They were wrong about the DNA before they had DNA data.

Homo sapiens are not descended "from" Neanderthals.The groups existed contemporaneously Early Homo sapiens had sex with Neanderthals - and that may explain the "stupid gene" we find in Deniers.

You read a comment written by someone on a blog and since what the comment said was so appealing to you given its implications for climate science, you immediately thought you'd post a 'question' about it here. And you did not bother for a moment to a) stop and think whether a short quote on a Bloomberg Business blog was the best source for this alleged anthropological and paleontological bombshell nor b) bother to check Svante P??bo's short Wikipedia page to see if the quote was actually accurate.

Not only is the Neanderthal quote completely wrong, it is used by the author of the article you link to as an example of the nonsense with which some of his readers respond.

And you wonder why we often question deniers' intelligence?

Modern humans did not evolve from Neanderthals. Modern humans interbreed with them. This is quite a lot different than what you are claiming. Humans not descending from Neanderthals has been known for a very long time now as both lived at the same time. There was debate about whether humans and neanderthals interbred. Perhaps you should look into this closer?

I will expect JimZ to come in, as he does usually with statement I make on evolution, and attempt to form some kind of argument with me while, at the same time, agreeing with me as usual.

I'm a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

However, there is a small number of people who seem to be saying that tens of thousands of professional scientists, many of whom are employed by institutions receiving public funding, conducting research using taxpayers' money, and lecturing and supervising the next generation of scientists, are corrupt. That, to me, is a pretty big claim. And if you make big claims you should have some pretty big evidence.

Evidence, I should say, does not include harping on about leaked emails from one institution (or one person!) when repeated reviews failed to find that evidence. It does not include ifs and buts and maybes or attempts at character assassination or simple lies, but actual documented verifiable evidence.

But no. Rather than actually carry out some research to see if the scientific community is corrupt, rather than sitting down in a library reading papers or writing a book or publishing articles as a freelance journalist, that section of society believing that the scientists are corrupt decide instead to claim corruption from the anonymous sidelines of the internet hoping that other like-minded conspiracy-theory nutjobs will rally around them and give them support. I guess their fragile egos need it ...

It's hard to find people with as few ethics as the ones that deny AGW. How many blatant lies have we seen from your camp on YA?

EDIT: I can see why you don't have a source, it's clear you're just making stuff up.

Ha! Ha! Gary F finally is getting it. Wonderful! Maybe someday he will realize that Jimmy Hansen was politically motivated. Maybe he will be able to see that Phil Jones corrupted the data for political reasons. Maybe he will find out that a science degree doesn't insure integrity.

But I doubt that Gary's intelligence will take him that far. I think we will soon see him picketing someplace along with Jimmy Hansen for communist causes.

And Thor, I wouldn't listen to corporations either. A good scientist will never push facts aside for political, commercial or any other reason. And a good scientist wouldn't go along with a proven liar like Al Gore either.

Read the Bloomberg article.

The quote you repeat is an example of Bloomberg's point , which I summarize as

"WTF! the data is at

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/wp-content/up...

And deniers do not get it!

What is wrong with them!".

So, the best idea is to not believe any scientists on anything, right? Just believe corporations that have trillions to lose instead.

the corruption comes from people like the Koch Bros paying for misleading 'scientific' studies

Agenda driven 'science' is always corrupted. AGW cultists want to force social changes and government wants to grow bigger and more powerful.

... or that science could be wrong on many accounts as they were about human DNA and coming from Neanderthals?

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-21/climate-scientists-biggest-challenge-isn-t-scientific?cmpid=yhoo

" ... A few years ago, the overwhelming consensus among anthropologists and paleontologists was that modern man (Homo Sapiens) was not descended from Neanderthals. .... About 3-4 years ago, when Svante P??bo and his team at the Max Plank Institute decoded Neanderthal DNA, and saw clearly (when comparing it modern human DNA) that modern man has unique Neanderthal DNA in our genome, and that we are descended from him. The discovery turned consensus completely on its head. What I'm saying is, today's consensus is often debunked with a new discovery. ... "

They are on the gravy train just as long as you believe the cash will come in .