"Do scientists from different countries share all of their info with other countries or is it still sort of a secretive competition?"
Been talking to jim z have you, this sort of point is one used by people who have no real understanding of science, science is non-political. Scientists carried on co-operation in many fields throughout the cold war while their political leaders where hostile to each other.
Look on many scientific papers on many subjects (not just climate science) and you will see names from many nationalities and many research groups from around the world.
As an example, where I work, a small research group looking at the upper atmosphere over Antarctica, we have done many papers in collaboration with Chinese, Russian, British, American, Polish, Japanese, German, French and many other nations scientists.
There is no secrecy, never has been, this is a denier myth, a few scientists got sick of being bombarded by hundreds of FOI requests from non-scientists and stopped supply info that was in reality just to waste the scientists time, but in hindsight the act of sending so many FOI was probably designed for this very reason, so deniers could then turn around and say look they are keeping secrets, of course these same denier groups fail to mention the many earlier request that scientists did respond to or the fact that in many cases the info being requested was not in fact the original property of the scientist but belonged to foreign weather services and those denier could have easily obtained that info from any of those services if they had bothered to contact them, but of course if they did that then they would have no conspiracy theory to beat up.
Look at the fraudulent statements deniers continue to make about the availability of UEA data when it is in fact freely available online.
Look at the reference section of any scientific paper it references many other papers, often dozens of other papers from which parts of the new paper are based, if you see deniers here telling you scientists don't share data, then you know for certain you are talking to someone who knows little about science.
When it comes to scientific data you have a good example of the absurd nature of denial, deniers here have said, for example,
That "the sea level record can't be trusted" but then suddenly these same deniers tried to use this data a while ago when it showed a decline, then when the decline passed they went back to not trusting it. All this is a sad example of how the denier mind works rather than any real reflection on the data.
http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators#s...
Deniers have done the same thing with UEA data claiming first it can't be trusted then trying to use it when the want to run down NASA data or GISS data or NOAA data, this is how the denier mind seems to work and they seem to assume we will not remember their position changes to try and push their little agendas.
The WDC (World Data Center) has been around since the 50's and has grown to cover many fields of science, of which Climate is just one
http://www.mad.zmaw.de/wdc-for-climate/
This sort of agencies very purpose is to disseminate data to any scientist who wants it and it is a global agency with many many countries involved in it's development, all this is in stark contrast to the sad myths deniers try to create that this is "just all Mann & Hansen" all such myths seem to prove is just how divorced from reality deniers are and that those that pretend to be scientists (geologists) really have no idea how science actually works, how data is stored and shared and that communism has nothing to do with any of this.
http://www.mad.zmaw.de/wdc-for-climate/
In a lot of ways it is dog-eat-dog because the currency of science is what you discover or explain before anyone else. Giving away your ideas is worse than giving away everything you own. Once things get published, however, cooperation is a lot easier.
That being said, scientists and institutions frequently work together on larger projects because that makes more resources available to solve complex problems. For me, it was more about sharing with friends regardless of where they worked or lived.
I used to send my data and work to my friends for several reasons. I knew that I could trust them to look at things and give me advice without either giving my data away to others or publishing my stuff on their own. I also did it to keep it away from people I didn't like. I always felt that if I got hit by a bus I'd rather my friends have my data and unfinished research than have it possibly default to some idiot that I couldn't stand.
I did the same thing in reverse. I'm coauthor on several publications along with a friend of mine who had died unexpectedly - where he is listed as the lead author and his name is followed with the notation "deceased." I think he might be the only scientist in history who actually published more original research after he was dead than he did when he was alive.
They will cooperate in any way they can, to get our money and take away our liberties. It has been proven time and time again that they will conspire for their gain in those categories.
Quote by Tom McElmurry, meteorologist, former tornado forecaster in Severe Weather Service: “Governmental officials are currently casting trillions down huge rat hole to solve a problem which doesn’t exist....Packs of rats wait in that [rat] hole to reap trillions coming down it to fill advocates pockets....The money we are about to spend on drastically reducing carbon dioxide will line the pockets of the environmentalists....some politicians are standing in line to fill their pockets with kick back money for large grants to the environmental experts....In case you haven’t noticed, it is an expanding profit-making industry, growing in proportion to the horror warnings by government officials and former vice-presidents.”
So you see that applies to scientists, also. Take James Hansen, for instance, he was one of the top promoters of AGW or ACC and he is now a full time Communist activist. He was taking money under the table. So there is a lot of conspiring going on.
Antarctica....... You mentioned Jim Z......I did not see that he posted to this thread.
What is your point in bringing him in to the discussion......just using him as a lead-in to your rant on deniers? Kind of a cheap shot....don't you think? (guess that's a Liberal thing, though)
Do scientists from different countries share all of their info with other countries or is it still sort of a secretive competition?
