> Does missing Arctic ice really cause cold winters?

Does missing Arctic ice really cause cold winters?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
I don't believe there is any connection between vortex's, jet streams, and ice in the arctic, if I had to guess I would say there is some long term cycle involved, or even the height of the atmosphere which according to NASA alters quite a lot.

Anyway IF the Arctic ice was a contributing factor, we could take that as a negative feed back, less ice in the Arctic, more ice and snow in the Northern Hemisphere a larger and more effective (due to the latitude) albedo and a cooling of the climate.

Edit

This article might throw some light on cycles like ENSO jet streams and the like.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/29/ma...

Climate alarmists are making up theories as they go because Mother Nature just isn't cooperating much with the CAGW narrative.

Alarmist: "Children in the UK won't know what snow is due to global warming."

Skeptic: "The UK just had another cold winter with tons more snow."

Alarmist: "Yes, that fits in perfectly with the CAGW theory. Colder winters and more snow prove CAGW is real."

Ice has a high albedo. I would expect more ice to cause colder winters and cooler summers. Ice was a very important positive feedback during ice ages.

Are we still complaining about tenths of degrees over 350 years of industrialization? 0.87C

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I see that cyclops now has me blocked.

I generally consider that to be a compliment.

But, he asks, "Does missing Arctic ice cause cold winters? NCDC says 1979 was the coldest winter in US history. 1979 was also the year with peak Arctic ice. "

Seems that his grasp on reality is a bit loose.

In 1979 there was more ice.

Coldest winter.

and he asks, "Does less ice causes cold winters?"

Seems that he's found a 2014 article that talks about how the polar vortex can be powered by warmer a warmer climate, drawing cold arctic air down to lower latitudes, making Europe and Asia (and America) colder than has been the case in the past. We saw it last winter, and it may happen again apparently.

SO, does less ice cause colder temperatures?

Where might that occur?

Does less ice cause warmer temperatures?

Where might that occur?