> What’s going on with polar ice?

What’s going on with polar ice?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
And Dork is the 'intellectual greenie'.



Ha! Ha! Did he really say that? When and if he ever makes it to the sixth grade, boy, is he in for a surprise.

Yes, the ice caps are coming back. But by the many 'global averages' it may be shrinking. In the sixth grade, they have this new math, maybe we'll find out when Dork gets there and straightens all these averages out.

Well this is a question that is puzzling scientists too it might be that big highs have formed over both poles, at the arctic that pushes cold air away from pole and causes the northern hemisphere to have more snow at lower latitudes as happen this winter, but because antarctic is a land mass with higher colder environment it just means it pushes the ice farther out to sea, (that's my guess anyway)

I think both have nothing to do with climate change, just natural cycles.

What puzzles me is that the freezing and thawing times have changed, the arctic now tends to freeze earlier and thaw earlier than they did 2 decades ago why?

Well this is a question that is puzzling scientists too it might be that big highs have formed over both poles, at the arctic that pushes cold air away from pole and causes the northern hemisphere to have more snow at lower latitudes as happen this winter, but because antarctic is a land mass with higher colder environment it just means it pushes the ice farther out to sea, (that's my guess anyway)

I think both have nothing to do with climate change, just natural cycles.

What puzzles me is that the freezing and thawing times have changed, the arctic now tends to freeze earlier and thaw earlier than they did 2 decades ago why?

The Earth is tilted at an angle. During the winter months in the Northern Hemisphere, it is summer weather in the Southern Hemisphere and vice versa. This is because the tilt of the Earth always puts half of the Earth closer to the sun and the other half away from it. So when northern ice melts it's because that side of the Earth is closer to the sun and the Antarctic is farther away so it freezes, then months later it's reversed.

Are we or are we not emerging from an Ice age? If in fact we are then we could assume we would experience warming, am I getting ahead of you here?. They taught us about our past ice age back in grade school, before electricity (or was it Independence?). If in fact we are emerging from an ice age that means (ignoring for the moment all the armloads of scientific printouts and gigabytes of Datasets) we are in fact warming and have been for several thousand years deviations in the climate history charts due to Sunspots and solar flares notwithstanding. We even had the "Little Ice age" due to thermohaline ocean current anomalies in the 1300-1700 era, a natural function of desalinization due to glacial melting due to natural "warming," The Vostok Co2 ice core analyses and subsequent Tschumi-Stauffer climate studies show clearly we have cold hot cycles and their accompanying Co2 variations on 100,000 year intervals. Milankovich elliptical orbit effects are causing these Hot/Cold cycles. The integration of sunspot and solar flare contribution to climate change just adds more humps and bumps to the graphs and more snakes to the prediction barrel. Providing a climate OVERVIEW reaching back over 6 millions of years tells the real story, but we are now faced with arguments based on data going back less than 50,000 years, the Gore fraud, obscuring the long term picture exposed by old accepted scientific climate history methods. How can man have such a profound effect on the climate in only the past 300 years when normal climate cycles established 6 Million years ago are proceeding as scientifically predicted, the projected temperatures and Co2 values in the mean. That man may be contributing to this climate change is obvious, but the EXTENT to which he is contributing is most assuredly in question. No one to date has been able to address that issue with any degree of Certainty, just a lot of unfounded opinion and fear mongering. Several scientific sources sets the percentage of mans contribution to global greenhouse gas at less than 3%, casting some pretty serious doubts that any changes we make in our energy usage will cause any major change in existing Climate conditions, at least in the foreseeable future.

Natural climate variations are still in control of weather patterns. As much as Government Climate Scientists want us to believe that we are affecting the whole of the earth's climate, they will continue to give humans too much credit in their forcing of the climate to change. Their jobs are at stake if they don't provide proof of human forcing of the climate.

"December of 2012 saw Northern Hemisphere snow cover at a record high extent, while January 2013 is the sixth-highest snow cover extent on record since 1967."

Weather will continue to cycle at its own leisure. It's not a closed system like they will continue to try and have us believe. :-)

I see that kano has multiple accounts here. I would ask that he remove the additional one, but he has his reasons I guess.

As your sixth grade teacher might have explained to you, were you not in detention for misbehavior (incessant and arrogant lying) then:

The global average is not uniform across the whole globe. Just because the average person has an IQ of 100 does not necessarily mean yours is above 10.

"I know one thing: that I know nothing"

Imagine that our knowledge is a sphere and as it grows the surface that touches the unknown is constantly enlarging. It is funny to set a historical margins when our kind is inhabiting the planet for less than a second in universal terms of time.

Polar bears live in ice and play in ice. I like them, they are innocent and handsome :)

What’s going on with polar ice?

Now I really am confused, Arctic ice appears to be down on historical greatest extent, Antarctic ice appears to be up on historical greatest extent.

Surely if the globe is warming, all ice should be less than previously measured.

Explain please.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png