These deniers almost never provide any evidence at all for their belief, and if you really try to trace it down (e.g. start by asking them WHEN they first "discovered" this "fraud"), you'll find out that more often than not it comes from a copy of a copy of a misunderstood echo chamber derivation of pulp fiction writer Michael Crichton's 2004 fable. James Inhofe, the leading denier in the U.S. Congress (and a leading fomenter of the hoax that a century of thousands of independent climate studies are all part of a "great" hoax) even considered or pretended to consider Crichton some kind of scientific expert. Actually, those two have arguably been among the very biggest fraud-perpetrators in this whole topic. Speaking of funding, Inhofe gets plenty of political campaign financing from fossil fuel interests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fe...
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/arc...
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timel...
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/s...
Edit: Here is one of the sources that abiotic petroleum "geologist" JimZ believes to be a "left wing blog" run by "eco fascists":
U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record...
“Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems.”
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpine...
“Choices made now about carbon dioxide emissions reductions will affect climate change impacts experienced not just over the next few decades but also in coming centuries and millennia…Because CO2 in the atmosphere is long lived, it can effectively lock the Earth and future generations into a range of impacts, some of which could become very severe.”
http://www.physics.fsu.edu/awards/NAS/
“The Academy membership is composed of approximately 2,100 members and 380 foreign associates, of whom nearly 200 have won Nobel Prizes. Members and foreign associates of the Academy are elected in recognition of their distinguished and continuing achievements in original research; election to the Academy is considered one of the highest honors that can be accorded a scientist.”
Who benefited from the Piltdown Man fraud? Do you think all frauds have to have a benefit?
Eco fascists have been using the environment for several decades to push their leftist agenda. It is no coincidence that AGW alarmism is pushed by anti-capitalist, anti-human leftists. It isn't because leftist are somehow smarter in science. They obviously aren't. They deny history, both human and natural and that is one reason they are leftists in the first place. They are typically young and inexperienced. It is pretty obvious AGW is driven by leftists who are incapable of separating their politics from science. It is It isn't that difficult a concept. I am not sure what you are struggling with. Al Gore has made close to a half billion dollars exaggerating the threat. 15 years ago the budget for climate science was miniscule compared to what it is now.
You seem to have bought into the lie that all (or even a large percentage) scientists agree. They don't. You need to get your information from places other than left wing blogs.
The banks. They get to handle the carbon credits on commission. Most people will not benefit. Energy prices will sky-rocket. More people will depend on Government to feed them. Almost 50% of Americans already receive food stamps. The Government will get to regulate more of our lives too. It's a socialistic idea perpetuated by Government Elites and contracted Government scientists. I doubt these Government scientists will ever try and show proof that it isn't happening. Their jobs depend on showing it is happening.
It would be good if people understood how the banks are deeply tied to our own Government through the Federal Reserve Banking System. All Federal Reserve stockholders (there are 12 Federal Reserve Banks each with stockholders) are guaranteed 6% dividends every year on their investment into the Federal Reserve. It is written into our Constitution through the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Banks benefit from Government borrowing. The Government has to pay its debts. They continue to borrow to pay bills and at an interest. the Government borrows almost a trillion dollars every year from banks (they sell bonds but it is the same thing. Government doesn't have a savings account) Follow the money and you will know that the banking elites support the funding of "Global Warming".
Sorry Troy! I meant to give you a thumbs up. My bad!
Its not fraud we are talking about it is bias, they are not purposely altering facts and data.
What happens is you do some experiments/research and get some different results you just naturally concentrate on those that give positives according to your beliefs and the line of research your on, the negatives are binned, it happens in all research not just CC.
Al Gore and the Big Fish, get thousands and thousands just doing interviews/talks/seminars.it is very lucrative.
Politicians and media just go along with anything that suits them.
You can see here, what happens if you don't toe the line, your immediately a denier, imagine that in a career, say your a promising young scientist and you come across information that shows Co2 is not damaging what do you do? publish it and your promising career is gone, come up with stuff that confirms what your employers want, and your on the way up the ladder.
poseidon misses out a lot but I reckon Zeus will be pretty happy.
It is estimated that Al Gore is worth over a billion dollars. He didn't get that by giving speeches.
Why would Michael Mann lie? PSU got huge grants because of his farce and PSU will not give the money back.
James Hansen, the communist activist, is under legal action for taking money under the table.
Quote by Tom McElmurry, meteorologist, former tornado forecaster in Severe Weather Service: “Governmental officials are currently casting trillions down huge rat hole to solve a problem which doesn’t exist....Packs of rats wait in that [rat] hole to reap trillions coming down it to fill advocates pockets....The money we are about to spend on drastically reducing carbon dioxide will line the pockets of the environmentalists....some politicians are standing in line to fill their pockets with kick back money for large grants to the environmental experts....In case you haven’t noticed, it is an expanding profit-making industry, growing in proportion to the horror warnings by government officials and former vice-presidents.”
Now as to your statement, "As the decades went by there must have been hundreds of scientists who were sacked, quit or retired and would have happily exposed the faked data, perhaps by using sites like wikileaks." Take this quote by Will Harper, Princeton University physicist, former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy: “I had the privilege of being fired by Al Gore, since I refused to go along with his alarmism....I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect....Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science. The earth's climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”
True scientists like Will Harper are berated, shunned, scoffed at, and ridiculed by the media, crooked scientists, politicians and paid greenies on this site.
Quote by Ross Gelbsan, former journalist: “Not only do journalists not have a responsibility to report what skeptical scientists have to say about global warming. They have a responsibility not to report what these scientists say.”
Quote by Charles Alexander, Time Magazine science editor: “I would freely admit that on [global warming] we have crossed the boundary from news reporting to advocacy.”
So can you honestly say that we are getting both sides from the media? Remember what Goebbels so clearly stated, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Then on top of it you have the political benefits. Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Remember. 'justice and equality, are code words for communism. Now let us consider another politician. Quote by Timothy Wirth, U.S./UN functionary, former elected Democrat Senator: “We’ve got to ride the global-warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”
Can it be any clearer? It is OK by me if you want to be lead down the path to communism and have your money stolen over a myth. But I don't wish to play the part of the village idiot and don't take me with you.
Everyone agrees that climate change is occurring. However, many believe that the climate change is not caused by man made CO2 emissions but instead by galaxy and solar system interactions which cause cyclic ( approx 100,000 yr cycle) warming periods ,like we are currently experiencing, for millions of years.
No one is benefitting from a supposed climate fraud. Only big oil, the tabloids and people who do not want to make lifestyle changes stand to benefit from any kind of fraud, and the fraud from which such people stand to benefit is global warming denialism.
The New World Order - durr
Is this a joke question?
If you can't even evaluate the glaringly obvious then no wonder you've been duped. I suppose crap like this was bound to happen considering how education has been dumbed down.
I don't buy that scientists are benefiting significantly from the fraud. They are typically only earning a middle class wage, which they could earn elsewhere without lying. As the decades went by there must have been hundreds of scientists who were sacked, quit or retired and would have happily exposed the faked data, perhaps by using sites like wikileaks.
Al Gore and other big fish can't benefit directly from the fraud unless the scientists are ready to go along with it. If they are somehow set to profit from the carbon taxes etc, it seems unlikely they would have stuck it out with the fraud for twenty years or so without any guarantee the taxes would ever be introduced.
Who else is perpetuating the fraud? Is it just some kind of vague left-wing phenomenon that can't be succinctly defined?
http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/news-c...
Anybody other than the general public.
