C- it's winter in the US but Global warming in Hot Aussie. LOL! That's what you people tell us. I've shown 2 years ago in March it was global warming in the great lakes region and other parts of the US when it was unseasonably warmer but now that it's cold it's winter. Wait. It's April.. We're in the spring time. LOL. Can you people be a little more inconsistent?
Trevor - 3000+ record colds this past year vs. a few 100 record hot. Fact. No global warming for 17 years which greatly contradicts 95% of all computer climate models. Fact. No climate model predicted the 17 year pause in global warming. Fact. No global warming for 17 years even when atmospheric CO2 concentrations have increased. Fact. No upper atmosphere warming (which is a main condition computer climate models require to project warming) which is probably why 95% of all computer climate models have been proven wrong. Fact. A decrease in world wide severe weather related events. Record low numbers of tornadoes, hurricane landfalls, etc.in spite of rising CO2. Fact.
I could go on all day but I have other things to do.
I have increasing issues with what both sides are saying about short term trends being indicative of what is going on with climate when some warmers/proponents of AGW say 30 years establishes a long term trend and the opposition claiming that shorter periods do the same. When I look at historical weather patterns-say, 1910-40, 1941-70, 1971-2000 and now partly through the current 30 year trend I question how reliable it is to make predictions as much (and more) than two centuries out, even given that climate science anticipates many of the variables.
On the other hand, for the most part the whole matter of climate change has become a PR disaster for pretty much everyone involved who is in the public eye, on both sides of the argument. Some people are just so overwrought and emotional they just aren't making a whole lot of sense. That's going on a whole lot here in this category of YA lately, or at least more than I recall in most of the time I've been here. I don't really buy it, I'm just hanging out waiting for the next developments, state of the research and which direction it takes us. I suspect that there are a lot of people out there like me...I don't see the opposition view to climate science gaining much ground by their tactics and it seems that science itself is trying to adopt a less alarming tone given the uncertainties. Polls seem to suggest that I am not alone.
So I frankly don't see it as a matter of weather 'cooperating' with anyone or not. And what Al Gore might have said is pretty irrelevant to me...I just don't really care what Al, Rush, or anyone who is in politics or the media might have to say beyond the few grains of salt their opinions might be worth.
The real question is what, exactly, does science have to say about science? On closer inspection, it doesn't really seem to be saying what the media, pundits and politicians say it is.
Yet again we see the biased mind of the skeptic in operation. Why not also examine the record heat waves in the southern hemisphere and the increased number of deaths those caused?
But no. You'll pick a few locations that were cold in winter and use that as 'evidence' that climate change is a lie while ignoring half the planet that was in summer and the more than 70% of the planet that's covered in water!
Ha ha! Thanks for giving me a good laugh, Sage. You sit there day after day mocking answers, and then come up with this laughable question? Some advice ... delete this question. You're embarrassing yourself.
It's called the Gore Effect.
When the weather doesn't cooperate, the greenies will just blame the weather on global warming anyways.
Chem Flunky,
If true scientists are not coming out in force to correct people like Al Gore, then who is to blame??? The "deniers"??? Really??? You better believe that if some idiots come out and claim that the drug I am working on is a miracle drug and recommend a bunch of off-label uses, I am going to be performing due diligence to correct them.
I can pull out a ton of articles talking about the earth being uninhabitable, crops not growing, etc. They are not coming from the "deniers". So what happens when people see through this scare-mongering??? Do you think they still believe the "scientists"???
Look at this crap going on. Does anyone know the value of rankings? You want to show some warming or cooling you can use a rank test, but that rank test wil say nothing about the amount of warming or cooling. This whole discussion of most cold or warm days, is complete bunk.
I must have missed Gore's prediction that people would be water skiing on Lake Michigan in December.
>>Ha! Ha! When will the greenies get a clue?<<
When you start sharing whatever drugs you are taking.
Any news that inhibits people's actions is good news for Greenies. They would rather eradicate all of the human species (except themselves of course) than to understand what is really going on. Elitist BS!
Let's keep the 55 benefits of an enriched CO2 environment in mind before we let those self-important, Government-funded climate scientists and politicians run the show. More CO2 means more plant activity, which means more animal activity, which means more overall activity on the Planet as a whole. Environmentalists hate activity unless they are sitting on their bums watching it. That's just what they like to do.
Alaska Just Suffered a Major, Avalanche-Filled Heat Wave
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-an...
( you still have time to delete your question )
You seem to think that scientists (actual scientists, not ex-vice presidents who make documentaries and go on speaking tours) predict that there will never be cold weather again, ever, anywhere, with AGW. You are *incorrect*. This is *not* what scientists predict, at *all*.
And, while you can point out several examples of "anti-warming" weather, if I were to look around, I could probably find even *more* examples of "warming" weather. Look to Australia, for starters.
I remember these clowns were predicting the end of winter. We would no longer have White Christmases. Boo Hoo. I know alarmists can't remember that far back since it is inconvenient. The coldest 4 months ever is a pretty significant thing and after a while it is no longer weather. Trevor's claims loose their luster when facts are shown. 2013 was the seventh warmest year and that is if your a sucker enough to believe their doctored historical data and probably current data as well. Whooptie doo.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/01/its-official-chicago-experienced-the-coldest-four-months-ever/
Chicago froze over, scientists stuck down in the Antarctica, people freezing to death in Japan, it is Spring and Rochester, NY had 10 inches of snow within the week, Great Lakes frozen over, they are still skiing in Maine and many other such events.
I thought CO2 was going to stop all this. Al Gore said this kind of weather was going to be over by 2013.
Ha! Ha! When will the greenies get a clue?
That all happened in WINTER, have you heard of it. it means cold temps, snow, freezing rain. This was an unusually coarse winter but it isn't the first cold winter.
You have been around this subject to know that global warming/climate change doesn't mean every place on Earth will be warm With all the cold this winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the year 2013 still ties with 2003 as the fourth warmest year globally since records began in 1880
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for January 2014 was the warmest since 2007 and the fourth warmest on record since 1880
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2014 tied with 2001 as the 21st highest for February on record since 1880
Gore is not a climate scientist or a scientist at all. With Watts on your side and Gore on the other side the warring parties have no credibility
The latest U.N. report said that we have to live with it.
http://ipcc-wg2.gov/AR5/
They won't admit failue because it would mean disgarding their REAL AGENDA.
Are you suggesting the "greenies" didn't give enough money, or bow deep enough, to your god?
There are many times more hot weather records being set than cold weather ones. This has already been pointed out to you, you ignore it. You ignore everything that doesn’t conform to your delusion, that’s what psychosis is. The real world is very different to what you perceive it to be
Seven cold weather records so far this year, 37 hot weather records. Fact.
http://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm
19 cold weather records last year, 383 hot weather records. Fact.
http://www.mherrera.org/records.htm
235 cold weather records in the last ten years, 1,922 hot weather records. Fact.
http://www.mherrera.org/records.htm
Furthermore, the reason for the cold in Chicago and other places has been explained numerous times. You completely ignore that as well.
The difference between weather and climate has been explained multiple times. You completely ignore that.
The difference between local and global has also been explained multiple times. And you also chose to ignore that.
Last winter was the second warmest globally, beaten only by winter 2006/7. December was the 4th warmest globally, January was the 2nd warmest and February was the 14th warmest; the data for March are not yet verified but provisionally it ranks about 8th warmest.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcr...
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip...
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● “Trevor - 3000+ record colds this past year vs. a few 100 record hot. Fact.”
Really? Provide a link to a credible site that makes this claim.
I stated 19 cold weather records last year, 383 hot weather records and provided a link to a list of all of them. Where’s your link?
http://www.mherrera.org/records.htm
● “No global warming for 17 years which greatly contradicts 95% of all computer climate models. Fact.”
If you knew about GCM’s you’d also know that it doesn’t contradict them as they don’t take oscillatory factors such as the PDO, NOA, IPO into account.
When oscillations are incorporated then the models are largely correct. Drs Yeh and Kirtman did just this in their 2004 paper “Decadal North Pacific SST variability and the associated global climate anomalies in a coupled GCM”.
ftp://cola.gmu.edu/pub/ctr/ctr_162.pdf
● “No climate model predicted the 17 year pause in global warming. Fact.”
You’ve already said that. Models DO NOT predict pauses, they’re unpredictable.
● “No global warming for 17 years even when atmospheric CO2 concentrations have increased. Fact.”
Are you saying that CO2 is the only factor that can influence temperatures? I hope not.
Natural phases have been strongly negative since Sept 1998; there should have been pronounced cooling. This hasn’t happened because the warming effect of enhanced CO2 has cancelled out the cooling. http://climatereview.net/ChewTheFat/wp-c...
● “ No upper atmosphere warming (which is a main condition computer climate models require to project warming) which is probably why 95% of all computer climate models have been proven wrong.”
Don’t believe the nonsense from the denialist blogosphere otherwise you just end up spreading their lies for them. We would expect the upper atmosphere to be cooling and that’s precisely what’s happening.
http://www.wunderground.com/resources/cl...
● Fact. A decrease in world wide severe weather related events. Record low numbers of tornadoes, hurricane landfalls, etc.in spite of rising CO2. Fact.
I think you’ll find that tornado numbers are increasing significantly. I’m not saying this is because of global warming but it does prove you wrong [1].
The number of hurricanes in recent years has been well above average. As I’ve explained many times before, this is likely caused by factors other than global warming. Again, you’re wrong [2].
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“Trevor etal [sic]: Don't urinate on me and tell me it is raining” Don’t worry, I wouldn’t urinate on you even if you were on fire.
