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I don't read the denier blogs so very few.
<< Is it the most powerful storm in history? To make landfall? Most damage? Most casualties? >>
10,000+ sure seems a lot to me.
<< And I've now read that the storm has left over 4 million people "affected". What does that even mean? >>
Judging by the pictures and video from that region, they no longer have a house nor food to eat or clean water to drink. It is weird that someone with a very vivid imagination when it comes to thinking up new ways to question climate change cannot imagine what 'affected' means.
If only you were as critical of the MSM when it is cold.
http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...
It's all hype and propaganda. Think back to 'superstorm' Sandy. Do you know why the media called it a 'superstorm?' Simply because it wasn't powerful enough at landfall to even be properly classified as a hurricane. And SUPERSTORM sounds oh so much more scary than a very weak hurricane. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Supersto...
As for the Haiyan typhoon, the New York times reported:
"Before the typhoon made landfall, some international forecasters were estimating wind speeds at 195 m.p.h., which would have meant the storm would hit with winds among the strongest recorded. But local forecasters later disputed those estimates. “Some of the reports of wind speeds were exaggerated,” Mr. Paciente said." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/...
Mr. Paciente is a forecaster with the Philippine government’s national weather agency and they took the actual measurements. But people like Roger Edson and Jeffrey Masters exaggerated the actual numbers and unfortunately that's what gets widely reported.
The Philippines gets hit by a powerful Typhoon almost every year and it's a very sad thing. But Warmists standing on the graves of those people to hype their political agenda is just shameful and evil.
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pegminer - I'm not lying about anything. And the reason you are blocked from my threads is because you are constantly calling me a liar. And I'm not the one lying.
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Just when I thought I couldn't have less respect for you, you sink to a new low. You apparently have no feeling at all for human tragedy. The reason there are so many stories about the typhoon is that it may have killed 10,000 people and caused more 10 billion dollars in damage. It has nothing to do with how many Atlantic hurricanes there have been this year.
You have also given Maxx another opportunity to spread his lies. He is once again slandering Edson and Masters and you have encouraged him. If I had not corrected what he said in my question, we could ascribe what he says to ignorance, but clearly he knows he's lying.
He is also repeating another lie of his that I previously corrected, that Superstorm Sandy was too weak to be a hurricane at landfall. This is absolutely NOT correct. It had hurricane force winds at landfall, but it was no longer a hurricane because it had a cold core and had made the transition to a mid-latitude cyclonic system. We don't call mid-latitude baroclinic storms hurricanes no matter HOW strong they are.
EDIT: Mike, are you trying to prove my point? 70 knots is officially above hurricane strength, it was called "post-tropical" because it no longer had characteristics of a tropical cyclone, that is because it had a cold core. I have the facts straight, but because you don't know a thing about what you're talking about, you proved my point rather than disproving it.
And Maxx, of course you lied. Edson gave an intensity based on an objective classification of the storm from 3 independent evaluations. Masters reported that. Neither one did a bit of exaggeration, and you're a liar for saying and, and for saying that it was political. What you said was slander. You also lied (or were too ignorant to know the difference) when you said that Superstorm Sandy wasn't strong enough to be a hurricane--it was, and Ottawa Mike was ignorant enough to not realize he was proving you wrong.
Neither one of you knows a thing about tropical cyclones.
Another EDIT: You said
"Oh you pedantic son of a gun. Sandy was not classified a hurricane at landfall in the US. That's the bottom line."
If that's the bottom line, then why do you and Maxx keep implying that it was because it was too weak to be called a hurricane at landfall? It was certainly NOT too weak, but it was no longer a TROPICAL system. That's a big difference. Sandy was a very large and powerful storm, even if it was not a hurricane. Wave size is not just determined by wind speed, but also by the wind fetch. Sandy's fetch was much larger than your typical hurricane, that's one of the reasons it caused so much damage.
And you are correct that it was not fully a cold core system at landfall, but it was undergoing the transition from warm core to cold core, which is THE reason it was not a hurricane--NOT because of its strength.
As for the mainstream media's coverage of Haiyan, it has been fine from what I've seen. However the non-mainstream media--the denier blogs--have been lying. The people that you and Maxx and have been going to for your information either don't know what they're talking about or don't care whether they tell the truth or not, or both.
Roy Spencer and a Nation magazine reporter
were debating the Typhoon , The Nation guy was upset
that Spencer was there to give the other side . And He kept
interruppting like liberals aways do when they are losing .
The Nation guy had said climate change made typhoon worse ? Im thinking where is the proof ? He had nothing .
Chris Hayes was talking to a climate scientist it was all talk with no proof .
It seems no matter what happens they find a superlative to describe it. Worst ever, unprecedented, etc. That said, I do recognize it is a really big storm but I am skeptical it is the biggest in history. Obviously our ability to measure that has only been practical in our lifetime.
My wife's mom had a live-in Phillipina caregiver Rose and she has become a close friend since my wife's mom died. It was really heart breaking to hear Rose worry about her family in PI and I shared a portion of her anxiety at the safety of her family and it hurt to see the pictures on the TV of the devastation. I am sure more is to follow. Sometimes the aftermath is equal to the initial devastation. They better get their asses in gear.
Sandy simply hit the MSM in its headquarters or nearly so, so it was exaggerated because it hit close to home. It was a baby compared to the one this week. Sandy gave Chris Crispy Cream a chance to sabotage Romney, one moderate political hack attacking another moderate but I digress.
The most. The worst. The deadliest. It's a superlative fun-fest for "journalists".
My sympathies to those that are suffering, and to the families of those killed. I will help in the relief efforts. I hope (and I am sure at this point) that the downstream media estimate of 10,000 dead will not be reached. Ambulance chasers, all of them. Are we not partially to blame for their exploitation of our fears? Our horror at death and destruction? Terror sells news. They know it, we buy it.
edit: The casualty estimate is based on the Red Cross body bag requisition. There was no science involved with the number.
This is an opinion question simply because there is no way to tell what happened in our history, but you have to admit the alarmism does go a long ways to promote Climate Change agenda unless people can read through the BS (bad science). :-)
How many different accounts of the max wind speed have you read about? Is it the most powerful storm in history? To make landfall? Most damage? Most casualties?
Here in Canada, our national broadcaster, the CBC, has been putting out stories on Haiyan at an incredible rate. It took up half of the national new on last night's show. The numbers and figures have been different on several occasions as have been the claims for the "most" whatever. The links to climate change have been sprinkled here and there. And I've now read that the storm has left over 4 million people "affected". What does that even mean?
Do you think the lack of Atlantic hurricanes this is what's making this the story of the week with the MSM realizing this is the last big chance for reporting a big tropical cyclone this year?
