I am also intrigued by the combined volume of humans. I worked it out to less than a cubic kilometre. In terms of mass there are ten times as many ants as humans. The amount of krill is also vast.
"And what is the volume of bacteria in a plague victim?" Interesting question but did you know that the number of bacteria in a healthy body is about 10 times the number of human cells?
Perhaps all these supposed "man-made" problems are actually made by bacteria as they have the majority interest!
I fail to see your point, at least with your original question. I'll see if I can pry a little bit of a point out of your additional details.
Lessee.
>If CO2 is causing more heat in our atmosphere, then (for sure) it is causing more evaporation in our atmosphere also. Evaporation leads to cloud formation. Right? We know that cloud formation creates a situation that reflects solar activity. Right?
The cloud feedback is complicated, because while some clouds mostly cool (by reflecting incoming radiation back upwards), other clouds warm (by reflecting outgoing radiation back down).
>Does it ever occur to you that other trace gases in our atmosphere have a very small effect on our planet's climate system which makes your answer irrelevant?
Yes, so?
Some trace gasses *do* have a significant effect on climate, others don't. Just like some trace salts will poison you, and others won't. Just like some compounds will significantly change the color of water, and others won't.
> Now, you have to prove that CO2 is adding more energy to a system that science says you can't add more energy to and you have to prove it without just a "preponderance of the evidence". Internal energy (fossil fuels) have already been stored for future energy purposes.
You seem to be misunderstanding how AGW works.
The energy released when we burn fossil fuels is basically irrelevant to the planet's energy budget. It's all about trapping solar energy.
A crude analogy for you.
Your body turns some of the chemical energy from food into heat. The Earth turns some of the UV and visible radiation energy from the sun into infrared radiation.
Blankets prevent the passage of (at least some) heat. CO2 prevents the passage of (at least some) infrared radiation.
If you cover your body with more and/or thicker blankets, you will be warmer, because less heat is escaping to the environment. If you cover the planet with more CO2, less heat will be escaping to space.
See?
Pat/Zippi62, you are quite obsessed with irrelevant numbers, such as the volume of human beings.
Increased temperature should lead to increased water vapor through the Clausius-Clapeyron Equation.
The amount of water in water vapor GREATLY exceeds the water in clouds, and not all clouds contribute to cooling, and some of those that do are forecast to DECREASE from warming, meaning that they are a positive feedback.
EDIT: The decrease in clouds is both observed and seen in models. See Clement, Burgman and Norris "Observational and Model Evidence for Positive Low-Level Cloud Feedback"
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~jnorris/reprint...
Please explain how science says you can't add more energy to the climate system.
Gee Zippi, did you figure that out all by yourself or did you just copy and paste the parts you're interested in from, say, another website?
http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/info/water_cyc...
And what is the volume of bacteria in a plague victim?
<< Does it ever occur to you that other trace gases in our atmosphere have a very small effect on our planet's climate system which makes your answer irrelevant?>
Did it ever occur to you that scientists have measured the amount of infrared absorbed by these other trace gases?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...
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The letters on the graph on your link are too small to read. To be able to analyze claim that there is no trend to increased water vapor in the atmosphere, we need to know the time frame of the graphs and whether they show global trends or trends from specific locations. Only one weather station is not the whole world.
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If computer models were perfect, it would be easy to quote numbers.
OK! Without numbers the effects could be anywhere from insignificant to grave. Do you really want to take the chance that the effects could be grave?
Increased water vapor according to climate science, looks like another thing they have wrong.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a0105...
The atmosphere above the 48 coterminous United States of America stores about 36.5 cubic miles per day of atmospheric water. A little over 10 percent or 3.9 cubic miles of it falls as precipitation each day. About 1,430 cubic miles of precipitation fall over the 48 states annually. This volume would be enough each year to cover the states with about 30 inches of water.
An average of 70 percent of the annual precipitation to the coterminous U.S. ( 1,001 cubic miles) evaporates back into the atmosphere from land and water surfaces and by transpiration from vegetation. The remaining 30 percent of the annual precipitation ( 429 cubic miles) is transported through the other surface and subterranean processes of the water cycle to a stream, lake, or ocean.
Groundwater storage in the coterminous United States has been estimated to be about 15,100 cubic miles both in the shallow groundwater (less than 2,600 feet deep) and an equal amount in the groundwater deeper than 2,600 feet. Soil moisture in the top 3 feet of soil is estimated to be equivalent to about 150 cubic miles of water.
The United States has approximately 4,560 cubic miles of water stored in freshwater lakes. Although there are about 5,540 cubic miles of water are stored in the Great Lakes alone, over 50 percent of the volume is considered to be in the United States. Also, about 14 cubic miles are stored in salt lakes of the nation. In addition, there is approximately 12 cubic miles of surface waters stored in stream channels in route to the oceans. Other sources of surface storage in the coterminous states include 16 cubic miles of frozen water in glaciers.
The stream flow volume that reach the oceans of the nation is about 1.12 cubic miles per day ( 409 cubic miles per year). The total combined surface and groundwater flow to the nation's oceans is 1.18 cubic miles per day. The Mississippi River alone contributes 0.34 cubic miles per day (annual natural runoff of 593,000 cubic feet per second).
There are less than 1/3rd of a cubic mile (by volume) of people that live on this entire planet. (A mathematical fact when you consider an average person is between 6 and 7 cubic feet and there are 8 billion people currently living on this planet and a cubic mile is over 147 billion cubic feet).
Are you doing the math yet?
Does it really matter as it concerns "Global Warming"?
