> If global warming is real, why is the Arctic ice near record thickness this year?

If global warming is real, why is the Arctic ice near record thickness this year?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
The increasing ice mass is clearly caused by global warming.

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Global warming is a misnomer. I think less people would stick their heads in the sand if it had been termed something like rapid global weather change.

Arctic ice isn't at near record thickness, it's grown slightly for the first time in decades but it is still far, far less than what it was 20 years ago or even just a few years ago.

Any rapid changes in the weather are bad. Food crops don't have time to adapt, crops die and people starve.

I have no idea if people as a whole can control the effects they have on the weather. I do know for certain that anyone who believes that billions of humans and their activities have no effect on the global environment is a fool. Spend a day in LA during a smog alert and tell me people have no effect on the environment.

The thickness of Arctic ice has not increased. I am calling you out as a liar.

The thickness and volume of Arctic ice has remained near the record lows. The data and analysis are available online; we do have to depend upon idiot liars for that data.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/...

Your claim that it has been one the coldest summers ever is another ridiculous statement. The satellite data shows the it has been warmer than average and the linear rate of warming in the north polar area is still at .46 degrees per decade which is more than three times as much as the rest of the globe.

http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/u...



The DMI (Danish Meteorological Institute) is reporting that been colder than average but not that it is "one of the coldest ever". That data your link is looking as is from the DMI which has been very clear about what is happening in the Arctic.

"During the past 10 years the melting of sea ice has accelerated, and especially during the ice extent minimum in September large changes are observed. The sea ice in the northern hemisphere have never been thinner and more vulnerable."

-- DMI

If you trust the DMI enough to post links to their site, then pay attention and refrain from making uneducated rants. It it again proved people deny climate change only through ignorance.

You appear to be confusing extent and thickness. Extent--how much sea area is covered with ice--is highly variable and affected by many factors, and because of that occasionally we get years with higher-than-recent-average ice extent. In fact, that's actually *expected* for Antarctica, because of some quirks of the climate conditions there.

Thickness has been most decidedly going *down* over the past several decades, and to my knowledge this year is no exception.

And, well, one unusually cool summer is weather, not climate. One unusually *warm* summer would also be weather rather than climate, but I expect the next time there is an unusually warm summer skeptics and denialists will be trying to pretend that realists are falsely claiming that the unusually warm year is "proof" that climate change is real.

No idea what your article is referencing. It doesn't say. And you are just stupid enough to not even care to go check on what you read. So go look at the dmi.dk website and try and find a link discussing sea ice thickness. I'd be interested to see the dataset.

I think you will find that the the Danish Meteorological Institute participates in the European Space Agency's sea ice (CCI) project you can find here:

? ? ? ? http://www.esa-cci.org/

and here:

? ? ? ? http://esa-cci.nersc.no/

Turns out, the ESA does have a new summary about arctic sea ice:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observ...

University of Washington PIOMASS also discusses ice thickness. See their most recent charting here:

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/...

You can easily see that sea ice thickness is NOWHERE close to "record thickness." That chart is also consistent with the ESA article cited above.

I guess your guess about global warming is itself dead.

ONE "YEAR" does Not a "Trend"- make !! Weather doesn't "perform"- in a straight line ! It Changes over TIME in a 2 ( or 3) Steps "Forward", 1 Step "Back"- progression. Alaska just had one of the Coldest Springs in Decades this year, followed by a June that BROKE- every HEAT Record- on the Books !! Increasing Weather "variability"- is one of the Hallmarks of Global Warming. And there is EVERY Indication- that this Variabilty IS getting Stronger... .. . :(

Of course. As all scientists agree, a single set of data from one summer is rock solid proof.

It must be so hard to try and use science to prove something when you don't understand how it works. It's like watching a monkey try to fly an airplane.

Maybe that ice age that the scientists said was coming back in the 70s is finally occurring.

You might try reading the original reports.

Failing that, you might at least accurately report what your blog source said.

Carbon emissions have gone up and so has the thickness of the Arctic's ice sheet. Furthermore, this is one of the coldest summers ever recorded around the North Pole. Guess global warming is dead in the water.