> Global warming maybe it's the moon?

Global warming maybe it's the moon?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
Good one Kano, Energy is being put into the oceans by the moon, or the tidal barrage generators would not work. All the energy they do not use must show up as heat somewhere. A bit like water getting warm when it goes over a waterfall. This will only be evident in coastal areas though.This could be the last hope for the warmers, a chance to grasp the last scientific straw to confirm their beliefs.

Then again – maybe it’s not the moon.

The paper you linked to is unrelated to recent the recent warming, episode it’s referencing timescales of millennia and climate change of an altogether smaller magnitude.

Tidal energy accounts for only 3 terrawatts of Earth’s overall energy budget of 174 petawatts, it’s about 0.00172%. Only over hundreds and thousand of years could this cause an appreciable warming or cooling. Assuming no energy was lost and that 0.00172% was additional to all other incoming energy and that it accumulated over 1,000 years, then you’re talking of a temperature increase of 0.55°C. At best it can’t account for any more than 2% of the warming that’s occurred in recent decades.

Besides, the 3 terrawatts of energy is not an additional or enhanced forcing, it’s been there all the time that the planet has been warming. Even if it had increased by as much as 10%, you’re still got to account for the other 99.8% of warming.

Furthermore, the moon only accounts for part of the tidal energy, the Sun is a significant contributor as are the other planets in the solar system, particularly Jupiter.

the moon is definitely not the cause of the current cooling period. However, the abstract does state that on time scale of 1000s of years tidal forcing can be the cause of some climate changes. This deals with heat redistribution rather than the energy balance of the planet I believe. While we still have quite a lot to learn about various tidal forces and so on, I don't think that the future forcings and ocean cycles have much to do with recorded measurements of ocean heat. I really have no idea how you could even come to a conclusion like that considering they are two completely separate entities.

Edit: Once again you show your ignorance. CO2 is not just 'heat redistribution'. Additional CO2 retains more energy in the atmosphere that arrives from outside sources causing it to be warmer than if the CO2 was not present. Once again you show your lack of ability to learn.

The paper was written in 2000. It is an interesting hypothesis that Keeling and Whorf proposed, but they also made a lot of assumptions as well. Keeling died in June of 2005 and Whorf in September of 2005, but do you know of any follow up work done on this? What they suggested is that if their hypothesis is true then greenhouse gases would not be needed to account for any abrupt global warming. What they do not do, or try to do, is to eliminate greenhouse gases as a source for global warming. You still cannot avoid the physics concerning greenhouse gases. No matter what else will induce a warmer climate, greenhouse gases are not eliminated from their ability to do so as well.

Would you like to see the lines of evidence concerning the current phase of global warming?



Even Keeling, 14 years ago if you want to quote him, was saying definitively that human CO is causing warming. You must not have actually read the paper if you missed that. Read it slowly.

Natural climate change is happening, and researchers are gaining on understanding it. But at the same time the ever increasing warming from increasing CO2 is an unwavering constant. Keeling understood that in 2000. If you believe in the guy enough to link him, then read his work. Learn from him.

Seems like global warming supporters (me) like to look at the big picture (less heat leaving the planet than before, while same amount comes in from Sun) = gotta warm.

And deniers look at small details, ignore any that indicate warming, pick a few that indicate cooling, and say EXPLAIN THAT!

That would be a new discovery. Nevertheless, the climate is getting extreme and need immediately action to plant back more trees.

considering that you said you read lots, read the Trenberth and Levitas papers directly rather than asking here.

you must have trouble sleeping to put our such questions.

no, it's not the moon, cosmic rays or insects.

Global Warming ended in 2012, confirmed by our Satelite reports 11/28/2012. Earth's weather today is like it was 36-1/2 years ago in the 1970's before Global Warming. Mike

Where do you come up with all this bullsh*t and why bother the rest of us with nonsense

Interesting paper co authored by Charles Keeling http://www.pnas.org/content/97/8/3814.full.pdf

The inventor of the Keeling curve, is musing about climate change caused by tidal forces.

I wonder if Trenberth and Levitas take this into account when working on their ocean heat papers?

I think it is the fact that the greenies are 'mooning' us when they propose AGW. But you can't tax the Moon, so it couldn't be that.