> Which way is heat flowing at the atmosphere-ocean boundary?

Which way is heat flowing at the atmosphere-ocean boundary?

Posted at: 2015-03-12 
when anyone resorts to talking about missing heat the following is always true,

you are about to have your ears and head filled with utter crap and,

you are being addressed by a political activist attempting to con you, or

you are being addressed by a total moron.

it's a wonder they have the nerve to invent the idea as the 'science' was supposed to be settled, i suppose it's only settled until they need to make up something new when reality won't play ball and follow their beloved predictions.

This whole missing heat question comes about because, models are predicting warming but it has stopped warming, so what has happened to the heat, they say it has gone into the oceans, okay so that indicates something has changed, it has changed from warming land and atmosphere to warming the ocean, that again means some mechanism has changed, which is possible, you can move heat from hot to cold, it is possible but you need a pump a mechanical means like wind or ocean currents, which is highly unlikely as these are usually convection driven.

So again please explain why the earths land surface and atmosphere have stopped warming but oceans continue to warm, why should heat prefer to heat the ocean rather than the atmosphere, when before it has always heated both.

Yes, the laws of thermodynamics say that heat flows from warmer objects to cooler ones. The oceans are cooler than the atmosphere, so heat is flowing from the atmosphere to the oceans.

On the average, the ocean surface and the air temperature are the same. When Earth is cooling, like it started to 6,000 years ago, the ocean surface temperature is warmer and when Earth is warming, the surface air temperature is warmer.



That is land data and sea data, not sea surface air data. Unless there is something wrong with the laws of thermodynamics, my answer, which has nothing to do with land data, is correct. Land data has nothing do do with the atmosphere-ocan boundary.



It's common knowledge. But, if you need a link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_the...



Neither did your link.

I think you mean the laws of thermodynamics state the NET heat flow flows from colder to warmer. There is still an exchange of energy between both bodies. However more heat energy will pass from the warmer object to the colder object until an equilibrium is reached. And when you have an influx of energy from an outside source, such as the Sun, that muddies it up even more.

Edit: I don't know the answer to your question. It is often stated that 'alarmists' aren't specific about certain things and those who argue against them nitpick specific quotes and so on. The statement you stated as you did is often used by people who argue against the greenhouse effect that it can not occur because of a misunderstanding. I do think I have read, however, that heat flow is dependent on region. It differs from place to place dependent on latitude, geography, ocean currents, season and so on.

That was a gross oversimplification Climate Cultist but it appears one of your fellow alarmists agreed. Ocean currents and air currents are obviously like the convection currents in the earth and are a way to transfer energy (heat) more efficiently from a warm place to a cooler place. Certainly in the Arctic, the ocean tends to warm the air and vice versa for the tropics. The ocean evaporates, has rivers flow into it, glaciers calve into it, volcanoes erupting in it, heat from the interior welling up in it, sun shining into it, etc. I think on average the energy flowing from and to the ocean is pretty close to the energy flowing from and to the air. I wouldn't know the dominant way heat is flowing now and would be extremely skeptical of those who claim to know.

Yes, this is another "missing heat" question. The laws of thermodynamics state that heat flows from warmer objects to cooler ones.

On average, which is a warmer? Average global sea surface temperature or average global surface air temperature? In other words, which way is the heat flowing on average at the atmosphere-ocean boundary?